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1 TCT October 13, 2008 at 9:06 am

I remember seeing ING rate at 4.75% a few years ago. It seems that this period is over. If the economy keeps going down like this, savings account won’t become much than a transaction account with limited number of transactions ;-)

2 Alen October 13, 2008 at 9:07 am

The stock market has collapsed - since Sept. 19 the DJIA is down 25% and the S&P 500 is down 28% and down 42% from a year ago.

How can this happen so quickly and so dramatically when so many good things have occurred? Oil is down to $82 a barrel; interest rates are very low; the dollar is up; valuation levels are extremely attractive among many blue chip stocks.

What’s the real problem? The problem that is killing the stock market is a lack of hope about the future.

Hope springs from optimism that is based on facts and history. Look at the history of America and really all of mankind. Life is full of setbacks and problems - that’s just the deal. But this too shall pass, as all scary periods have.

Doomsayers have been around forever and their batting average is zero. Buying stock is based on hope - hope for the future. If one doesn’t have hope, they shouldn’t be in this business.

3 Donny Gamble October 13, 2008 at 9:08 am

The moves made by these online banks are critical for them to stay in business. Cutting the interest rate has to be done because their profit margins are shrinking. People that don’t know too much about investing might take their money out of these saving accounts because they believe their money is safe. This is a very bad decision because it could affect your retirement savings. My opinion is to keep your money in these savings accounts because the economy is in a temporally decline and will bounce back over time.

4 Jack @ San Diego Lawyer Finder October 13, 2008 at 12:31 pm

I found that my ex-WAMU now Chase savings account dropped from a 4% APY to 3% APY recently. I’m not sure exactly when it dropped, I just know that it did.

I really hope that Chase keeps this online savings account open because their savings accounts don’t seem very good. Their regular account has a 0.1% APY and their Savings Plus account has a 1.95 APY if you have over $100,000 in the account. That is just terrible.

5 Fred October 13, 2008 at 6:15 pm

At some level, it would make sense to not lower interest rates. This seems like a great way to raise the deposit base in order meet capital requirements in times like these. Then again, if you’re getting a truckload of free money from the Fed, maybe that’s good enough.

6 Tom - Recession Proof Jobs October 14, 2008 at 4:41 am

I have an ING savings account here in Australia and Im getting over 6% but then again our house loan rates are a lot higher.

7 DES October 14, 2008 at 4:55 am

I’m surprised they are giving as much as this considering the market. Maybe it’s better to put your savings under the mattress for a while.

8 Manshu October 14, 2008 at 7:47 am

I think this is a great time to invest in the stock markets. There are a lot of stocks that are going really cheap and someone who starts buying now is definitely going to benefit over the longer run.

9 Myrtle Beach Real Estate October 14, 2008 at 8:30 am

If the economy keeps going in this direction, savings accounts won’t be much of an issue. Most of them will be drained.

10 Sentient Money October 14, 2008 at 9:21 am

I don’t agree that now is a good time to sell stocks. If you already took the pain, why sell at the bottom? That is, historically, what everday investors do, and they, historically, miss out on returns when the market recovers. I’m not saying we are definitely at a bottom, but we are closer to the bottom than the top.

11 Silicon Valley Blogger October 14, 2008 at 9:27 am

@Sentient Money,

I agree with you completely on that: “closer to the bottom than the top”. I’ve been getting calls from concerned family about the losses they’ve incurred in their retirement funds. But I tell them — “hey you’re 38, you’ve got a ways to go with that retirement fund.” If they sell now, and miss the upswing, they’ll be very frustrated!

12 Alen October 14, 2008 at 9:28 am

You all know my opinion - we have the characteristics of at least “a” bottom. Look at the scoreboard - Dow and S&P 500 down 18% last week, in only a week. If that doesn’t show irrational dumping the only other environment that probably would is an official end of the world pronouncement from on high.

The VIX Index (69.96) soared to a record high; bears at extreme high levels, bulls no where to be found; valuation levels the best since Black Monday, October 19, 1987. And back then you could buy AAA long term munis yielding 10% or better vs. around 4.75% today.

No one can call bottom in advance with confidence, but we can correctly report that the conditions for at least a bounce are in place, assuming we are not headed for a 1929 depression.

We are not, but don’t take my word on this. Last Tuesday, Oct. 7, Gary Becker the 1992 Nobel economic laureate, professor of economics at the University of Chicago stated in the Wall Street Journal - “we’re not headed for a depression.”

He states, “World economic growth will recover once we are over the present severe difficulty.” Also he states, “Although it is the most severe financial crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930’s it is a far smaller crisis, especially in terms of the effects on output and employment.”

13 Yadyap October 18, 2008 at 3:36 am

I agree completely with Sentient Money. Especially if you have a retirement account that is invested in the market and you don’t retire for another 10 - 20 years. I believe it to be wise to wait until a market recovery. Don’t panic at or near the bottom.

14 Renee November 3, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Hey,
Can i ask a question?
Assuming equal risks, is it better to buy a higher yielding taxable or a lower yielding tax free money market fund?

15 Silicon Valley Blogger November 3, 2008 at 4:56 pm

@Renee,

It depends on your tax bracket. The higher your tax bracket, the better it is to go with the tax exempt money market fund.

If you think about it, you’ll have to pay a portion of the earnings you accumulate in a taxable fund. So if it’s returning 5% a year, your real rate may be more like 4% a year as you pay off 1% in taxes (this is just an example). But the higher your taxes, that real rate may be lower — 3.5% maybe? If so, then a tax exempt fund that returns 3.75% may be a better deal for you.

Here’s a simple taxable-equivalent yield calculator to help you make that determination.

16 Matty January 9, 2009 at 10:15 pm

I have an ING and HSBC account. ING is a pain for log in and I cannot withdraw money from a local (physical) bank; I have to maintain another bank account for this purpose. HSBC has local branches so it works best for me. The interest rates are getting so low that it does not make much money. I remember how HSBC used to pay 5% or more when I first set up my account; now the interest rates never seem to stop falling.

17 Stock Trading Robot February 14, 2009 at 4:43 pm

ING and HSBC accounts are kind of on the annoying side sometimes. I seem to not be able to withdraw money from a physical bank.

18 carolina forest February 19, 2009 at 10:12 pm

If the economy keeps going in this direction, savings accounts won’t be much of an issue. Most of them will be drained. on top of this it is one of the worst times for the stock market

19 vinay February 24, 2009 at 11:46 am

bad economy : if things prevail, savings accounts won’t be much of an issue. Most of them will be drained.

20 Rick Highton February 25, 2009 at 5:30 am

If you really want to put your hard-earned savings into online banking then do research. Find out what bank offers the best interest rate at the lowest tax rate. Though economy is going bad, there would still be banks that are stable. Just read their terms and conditions and ask questions.

21 dahoov2 March 12, 2009 at 10:02 am

It’s pretty sad that anything as high as 2% is “high yield”. I’ve only begun saving money (am in my late 40’s) only 10 years ago. Before that, we served over 21 years in the US Air Force. Anyone knows that enlisted in the service move a lot and you live pretty much paycheck to paycheck. All the money we ever saved there went to moving all the time or visiting family as we were always so far away. So we never could afford to save.

When my hubby retired, we bought a house in a lower income area (not bad but not where would saw all the others living beyond their means were living - and where I was dreaming about) so we’d not live beyond OUR means.

So we began our first retirement accounts in our mid/late 30’s and now we’ll never have enough to retire. So when Obama took office he promised us everything…

I was excited till I see the interest rates on savings have slowed to nothing (and we are TAXED on all our profits right? They take a good 28% of that 1.80% on my high interest account)… so basicall, I am getting really less than a percent interest. NOTHING. We earn over 100k a year (barely) but we don’t qualify for the college incentives as I already sent my kid in when it was at it’s high interest rates (over 8%) and he’s done now. I don’t qualify for “first time” homeowners as this was our first home… and we can’t afford the car buying incentives because we need to save for retirement. So our 10 and 11 year old cars will become much older…. and saving will take LONGER as the interest is so low and we lost 50% of our 401k and almost every dollar we had in our Ameritrade account (owning just three stocks now; two of which are Ford and GM).

So when we thought we’d get a stimulus tax break, I was excited. Even if it was 13 a week. Only to yesterday learning that’s not really true. His company says he makes over 75k and will not qualify for it. Maybe we can claim it next year when we file for 2009 (filing joint) I don’t know, but this year, we get NOTHING.

So we got nothing, nada, zilch from Obama and his stimulus. And we are not rich…
and we wonder how long the interest on savings will remain below 5%. Since we’ve been saving, the most we’ve personally seen is 4.99 in over 10 years!

Obama needs to stop taxing our savings and the savings rates need to increase equal to the lowering of interst on buying. It’s not been equal in my opinion for a long, long time.

22 Silicon Valley Blogger March 12, 2009 at 10:21 am

@Dahoov2

I share your concerns. We are in a very very tough saving and investing environment, no thanks to the excesses of the past several years (or decade). Credit is tight, the stock market is in the doghouse, and our savings are earning low rates.

As Obama has said in his numerous speeches — it’s going to take a while for things to improve and all we can do is wait and be patient, but this too shall pass. I personally hold out hope that things will get better by 2010, as the economists are predicting.

For now, I am actually continuing my investment program, and hoping that eventually, my investments at these low prices in the stock market will pay off well.

Best of luck to us all!

23 latasha March 19, 2009 at 7:13 pm

what is the interest rate on the savings account and the cd?

24 Mark May 29, 2009 at 12:33 pm

Have you considered SmartyPig ( smartypig.com ) ?
As of today, they are offering a 3.05% APY…

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